Based on the physics and biology, I'd say that.
I’ll admit I’ve googled photos from other plane crashes and I believe that hearsay report. Chopper crashes in LA and no body has one of them nikon cameras? This is how it was for me after a car accident a few years ago.
Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Doesnt what youre hitting and how much force it disperses have an affect on the energy your body recieves? There are two main types of disasters: closed and open (there can also be a mixed). I don't think you would have any recognizable cognition of being crushed. Worst case scenario is you have nothing but burned chunks of people spread over a large area. Depends on how it crashed. I don’t know the full details of the crash but if they crashed somewhere in a field or away from civilisation you would know who to look for since there’s a list of those in the helicopter.
They do have a 911 recording of someone right as the building collapse started and you can here him starting to scream as the building fell and then the line went dead. I was totally aware of everything flying around me as my car was pushed across the intersection and flipped in its side.
And while a passenger manifest absolutely can help figure out who was sitting where, in some crashes you have people (and parts of people) being flung all over the place, so not everyone (or their pieces) is necessarily going to be found near their assigned seat. Good old fashion human nature (just a saying, not emphasizing “good”) I keep imagining Jenny Rivera, but I don’t think theirs was that bad. What terrifies me is what was going on in their last moments. If I was on the plane, would I have any time to experience the crash before I was knocked unconscious or killed outright? I remember a freeze frame realizing exactly what was about to happen, and the single thought “Bad!”. Forensics I doubt are able to identify ash so everyone that was on the plane are just labeled deceased. I'm impressed, Very fell pieces of body parts, probably very minimal and also big parts of bodies, but depends; overall the fire burned the bodies, so the bodies are very black or grey, being silk in texture overall, but identity is made to know the family member dead in the lab of DNA so it can trace the family origin and know who it is, who the body is, the pieces; tbh not very efecctive, but good overall for those who want to identify the body of the family member who was in the plane that got crashed, I have read that most of time it's just like they were cremated or even vaporized, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the morbidquestions community, Press J to jump to the feed. I was in a small plane "crash" when I was a teenager. Other times you'll find bodies just like anything else.
It talked about how they wouldn’t have been able to lift their arms up because of the centrifugal force. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/2019/09/11/18-years-later-experts-are-still-working-to-identify-remains-of-911-victims/. Can the teeth actually resist impact?
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I contemplated what the passengers in the airliners hitting the WTC on 9/11 would have seen... essentially they would see for literally a split second a wall of plane debris then dead. And while a passenger manifest absolutely can help figure out who was sitting where, in some crashes you have people (and parts of people) being flung all over the place, so not everyone (or their pieces) is necessarily going to be found near their assigned seat. I think it was USAir flight 427. A nightmare regardless. For those that carry handbags, they usually either are holding them or have them under their seats. I saw a photo of the downed chopper and it appeared to be intact as opposed to total rubble. Suppose you even take up the space of 1 m. You would have 1/90 sec of impact time. I can’t locate the article, but I think it was about the crash outside of Pittsburgh. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed.
I think because it terrifies me. I'm quite impressed that teeth can resist such extreme conditions.
I feel it’s very likely most people in plane crashes don’t die afraid or in pain—but rather in confusion. ), while the PM team looks at the bodies recovered and collects the post-mortem dental, medical and forensic data (fingerprints, DNA). Adrenaline is really amazing for clearing your head when you're in danger.
And sometimes, in very extreme cases, even DNA may not be enough (like the tissue may be too contaminated, or there's no DNA on file to compare it to). The impact of such a plane accident would be at least comparable, though much worse, than being knocked out by a punch. And if there's absolutely nothing left (not even fragments)to use will they deem everyone uniditenfiable and use the passenger list as the victims list ? This community is home to verified forensic science professionals and students who are passionate about their work. Welcome! They will tell you that they have no recollection of being hit.
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Me too! I keep picturing the crash scene in my head. Sometimes nothing but fragments, and I don't mean arms and legs. Imagine standing still, and someone driving a massive truck at you, covered in metal and fabric plane cabin parts. You have people that recover bodies and you also have AM (Ante Mortem) & PM (Post Mortem) teams.
Unless they didn't expect it at all.. which is probably better. So 1/100th of a second is just at the edge of visual recognition. The responders do their best but there always a chance that a few bodies won’t be identified. Or would would I not even live past that initial trauma? If all else fails you have DNA testing. Man.. this is grim.
I've always wondered, anytime there's a plane crash and people die, how to they identify the bodies to return them to family? I feel a lot of people have gone out thinking “Wait...what?”. Tattoos, jewelry and other personal items such as cell phones can assist in presumptive identification.
That's about one hundredth of a second. So, I'd probably be knocked out from the initial impact and paralyzed from the neck down, then I would die from ether heart failure from the broken neck, massive blood loss to the brain as you describe, fires/smoke, or simply being crushed shortly after the initial impact. Usually they will be burned, sometimes to a crisp. I imagine they just pull up the people that were on that flight through tickets and such. You instinctively pull away from the burn before you even realize what's going on. They had 26 seconds between the first sign of trouble and the crash.
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They had 26 seconds between the first sign of trouble and the crash. Now studies indicate that humans can identify an image as fast as 13 ms (1.3 hundredths of a second). Guts and body parts splattered? I can’t locate the article, but I think it was about the crash outside of Pittsburgh. In the most ideal circumstances, you would have about 20/90, about 1/4 sec to see the front of the plane crumbling in front of you.
I think it was USAir flight 427. I've always assumed that since the aircraft bursts into a giant fireball on impact, all the bodies get essentially disintegrated. In that type of helicopter crash what do you think they found? They check the seating plan, if they have to they will use teeth and DNA analysis. Forgive me if this is graphic but I'm just curious. How do forensics work on such events? Same with the time I got knocked out skateboarding.
Foramen, not forsaken. Sorry if it comes of as insensitive asking such a question after the terrible crash in Iran. Surely with that drop in altitude they knew something was wrong.
Sometimes though they can't tell and the body/remains are listed as unidentified.
So what would happen to someone wearing something like this? Once they believe they have all matches, then they do dental comparisons to completely verify- this was probably done later, but done now. A 200+ mph impact is 90 m/s. There was an newspaper article in the 90’s that put it a little in perspective, at least for the crashes where the passengers may be aware. When you impact anything at 150 mph or more, your head will snap forward so quickly it will severe your spine at the forsaken magnum.
They knew the identities of those on board- there are passenger manifestos. Again this is all hearsay but gives you an idea of how bad crash was, lol my sisters baby cousin Tracy did seened it, The families got the bodys now..I cant imagine what they will see..or if it is too horrific.
One of the simplest ways to presumptively identify a person is by their own wallet. They check their pockets for wallets. Thank you for your fully fledged answer. Other times you'll find bodies just like anything else. That's how they stay. Cookies help us deliver our Services.
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An open is something like a natural disaster, bombings, etc. I'm wondering if it's a situation where they were able to find the lifeless bodies intact or if it's just bits and pieces in the rubble. Cool! And it also have examples of activities 26 seconds long for comparison. ; where the victims could be anyone. AM teams collect antemortem data (data from medical records, photos, media, fingerprints, DNA, etc. Most people don’t feel afraid during the life threatening event because every shred of processing power in the brain is dedicated to figuring out the new reality. Disaster Victim Identification (DVI) depends on the severity of the disaster and if bodies are intact or not.
This is a place to talk about forensic science: ethics, education, employment, techniques, articles, and news. If you don't mind I'm gonna ask a follow up question: How do, sometimes, passengers' belongings (suitcases) resist the crash enough that they can find info to help indentify the victims?
Lifeless bodies fully intact? I'm calling bullshit on kobe death. It totally depends on how badly the bodies were damaged. During this phase it’s important for one person NOT to collect both AM and PM data of a body, because this introduces bias and you start to see things you don’t actually see (you go out of your way to find the similarities).